KRH1 said:
Nice build project and what a cool car as the end result for those Sunday cruises Miami Vice style. However i have my head scratching on those dyno results!!! Peak power ATW 128hp & 4,648rpm (assume in 2nd gear) with no torque readout, so that needs some explaining for sure. AMG work on the Gen1 5litre engine to get the power up besides swapping in higher comp pistons, cams, exhuast, tune etc required the heads worked (larger intake valves which were back-cut on the stems, lightened followers aka rockers, port work to the throat,bowls, intake, exhaust ports enlarged) Intake manifold was modified (runners enlarged and port matched to the heads). When MB released the Euro 10:1comp Gen2 500 they simply bolted on the 560 heads that had all these mods already done in factory production except the intake valve stems were not back-cut (which AMG did to increase flow). MB also swapped in the 300hp Fuel head (FD) to the 500 & Tri-Ys and hotter cams etc to get the power/torque up from factory. Anyway it is still an awesome SEL that you acquired 1 yr ago on this platform and for some reason now moving it on, so good luck with the auction
Good luck with the sale and i can personally attest they are awesome Sunday highway cruiser even in today's modern world they bring so much joy Mine is also an 89 build (Euro 300hp version) and with the 89 builds comes the upgraded and more desired interior as in yours especially the seats and door trims. They are easy cars to work on and very reliable if maintained with usual servicing of fluids etc and if kept garaged out of the weather when not in use. Yours looks in prestine condition and a salute to you for keeping it well preserved and a family icon with lots of good memories (pity your selling actually but such is life)
As an owner of an AMG 560SEL it is obvious this car is being misrepresented by advertising it is an AMG when it is not, but instead a bog stock US 560SEL that has had some AMG bodykit parts & wheels sourced and fitted. The front bumper is original MB with a lip added. The true AMG front bumper for the Gen2 AMG 560SEL is a one piece bumper with fog lights. The steering wheel is incorrect. The binnacle instrument dials are most likely off ebay. It lacks the AMG door trim which is standard fitment for Gen2 AMG 560SEL's. The engine is bog stock Low compression US spec with that horrible restrictive single side downpipes (no Tri-ys). Retains its ugly US spec headlight wipers versus the much nicer Euro spec headlight wipers. The exhaust tips are repo replica's. The positives are the resto (i assume by Bespoke) has been of excellent standard and the coilover kit is a neat upgrade along with the later model 722-6 trans swap and the SEL presents very well as to paint & interior refresh. If it was instead advertised as an AMG tribute none of us would have a problem with that as it would not be false advertising
When these cars ended up in Japan as stock 56SEL's there were a lot that were modified in later yrs and turned into replica AMG's and to confirm it was an original you need paperwork to verify. Japan workshops were very resourceful in creating replica's. Odd it has a stock soundsystem. Bumpers look like f/glass replica's and not painted orignal chrome mouldings. Exhaust is not AMG. Engine swap you have no way of telling the M119 is bored out to 100mm cylinders, forged pistons & M117 crank swap unless paperwork or engine stripped down to verify otherwise it could by just a 5ltre M119-960 swap with M117 timing cover & sump. Notice cracks in most of the AMG wheel centres in the lug holes to centre bore walls. Very strange to repaint highly desirable 119 blue/black to silver? notice paint overspray on the door handles rubber indicating handles were not removed for painting. i wonder what diff it is running? if it is a 2.47 you know it not AMG. The Euro 300hp were running 2.65 & AMG 2.82 or 3.06 and Gleason-torson centres and also 1st gear start My guess is it a replica AMG unless the seller has AMG documentation. In saying that it is still a nice car and super desrirable and rare even if it is a replica it just means it won't attract cashed up collectors chasing verified original pre-merger AMG cars prepared to pay. Looks like bidding got passed in & did not meet reserve so interesting to find out the final outcome
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Euro 1985 Mercedes-Benz 500SEL AMG Stage-I Tribute
KRH1 said:
Nice build project and what a cool car as the end result for those Sunday cruises Miami Vice style. However i have my head scratching on those dyno results!!! Peak power ATW 128hp & 4,648rpm (assume in 2nd gear) with no torque readout, so that needs some explaining for sure. AMG work on the Gen1 5litre engine to get the power up besides swapping in higher comp pistons, cams, exhuast, tune etc required the heads worked (larger intake valves which were back-cut on the stems, lightened followers aka rockers, port work to the throat,bowls, intake, exhaust ports enlarged) Intake manifold was modified (runners enlarged and port matched to the heads). When MB released the Euro 10:1comp Gen2 500 they simply bolted on the 560 heads that had all these mods already done in factory production except the intake valve stems were not back-cut (which AMG did to increase flow). MB also swapped in the 300hp Fuel head (FD) to the 500 & Tri-Ys and hotter cams etc to get the power/torque up from factory. Anyway it is still an awesome SEL that you acquired 1 yr ago on this platform and for some reason now moving it on, so good luck with the auctionSingle-Family-Owned: 1989 Mercedes-Benz 560SEL
KRH1 said:
Good luck with the sale and i can personally attest they are awesome Sunday highway cruiser even in today's modern world they bring so much joy Mine is also an 89 build (Euro 300hp version) and with the 89 builds comes the upgraded and more desired interior as in yours especially the seats and door trims. They are easy cars to work on and very reliable if maintained with usual servicing of fluids etc and if kept garaged out of the weather when not in use. Yours looks in prestine condition and a salute to you for keeping it well preserved and a family icon with lots of good memories (pity your selling actually but such is life)1990 Mercedes-Benz 560SEL AMG
KRH1 said:
As an owner of an AMG 560SEL it is obvious this car is being misrepresented by advertising it is an AMG when it is not, but instead a bog stock US 560SEL that has had some AMG bodykit parts & wheels sourced and fitted. The front bumper is original MB with a lip added. The true AMG front bumper for the Gen2 AMG 560SEL is a one piece bumper with fog lights. The steering wheel is incorrect. The binnacle instrument dials are most likely off ebay. It lacks the AMG door trim which is standard fitment for Gen2 AMG 560SEL's. The engine is bog stock Low compression US spec with that horrible restrictive single side downpipes (no Tri-ys). Retains its ugly US spec headlight wipers versus the much nicer Euro spec headlight wipers. The exhaust tips are repo replica's. The positives are the resto (i assume by Bespoke) has been of excellent standard and the coilover kit is a neat upgrade along with the later model 722-6 trans swap and the SEL presents very well as to paint & interior refresh. If it was instead advertised as an AMG tribute none of us would have a problem with that as it would not be false advertising1991 Mercedes-Benz 560SEL 6.0 AMG
KRH1 said:
When these cars ended up in Japan as stock 56SEL's there were a lot that were modified in later yrs and turned into replica AMG's and to confirm it was an original you need paperwork to verify. Japan workshops were very resourceful in creating replica's. Odd it has a stock soundsystem. Bumpers look like f/glass replica's and not painted orignal chrome mouldings. Exhaust is not AMG. Engine swap you have no way of telling the M119 is bored out to 100mm cylinders, forged pistons & M117 crank swap unless paperwork or engine stripped down to verify otherwise it could by just a 5ltre M119-960 swap with M117 timing cover & sump. Notice cracks in most of the AMG wheel centres in the lug holes to centre bore walls. Very strange to repaint highly desirable 119 blue/black to silver? notice paint overspray on the door handles rubber indicating handles were not removed for painting. i wonder what diff it is running? if it is a 2.47 you know it not AMG. The Euro 300hp were running 2.65 & AMG 2.82 or 3.06 and Gleason-torson centres and also 1st gear start My guess is it a replica AMG unless the seller has AMG documentation. In saying that it is still a nice car and super desrirable and rare even if it is a replica it just means it won't attract cashed up collectors chasing verified original pre-merger AMG cars prepared to pay. Looks like bidding got passed in & did not meet reserve so interesting to find out the final outcome