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ubergruber said:
Anyway..back to the lovely car here! Surely time for the questions about the cost of shipping to the USA?!
This is why I love this site. Loads of respectful knowledge sharing. @Niklas32 I understand (but would welcome someone who knows correcting this) that 990 cars had the code stamped on the chassis designating the standard car on production line to be shipped by MB to amg for conversion. Later (around 1993) 957 cars were specced/ordered completely through MB dealerships so MB had greater control. The exception of this was the w202 C55amg from 1998 I think. @gsxr the baby hammer debate is fascinating. My personal take is that the term ‘Hammer’ is a magazine (not amg) term adopted by enthusiasts to refer to an upgraded gen1 bodykitted w124 E class with a m117 DOHC engine shoved in to. As with the term Hammer it seems that a lot of the media and enthusiasts are using baby hammer to means an upgraded gen1 bodykitted w124 e class with a tuned 3.4/3..2 engine. Certainly not a hammer (and without the super special engine) but looks a lot like one… much like a Ferrari 348 is often called a baby testarossa.. because they look similar. I’m comfortable with this as they are both made up terms but all please be gentle with me and leave my family my remains! :)
@Niklas32 I think 1993-ish onwards (with the exception of a few remaining 990s and privately built or non affalterbach cars) the amg offerings were stamped 957 like e36, sl60 and e60. Only exception to that I’ve found was the w202 c55 which was still separately made by amg only. The cooperation agreement was signed in October 1990 with 990 being stamped on chassis after that. For my learning, why would 1989 and before be considered pre-merger and not pre October 1990? (I know there are way smarter people in the background reading this and hope they weigh in to correct my mistakes!) Either way, your car, to me, is a lovely thing. GLWTA!
@Niklas32it’s the romance or a tuner, tuning your car! I thought the 990 code came in in 1991 but happy to learn otherwise from smarter people!
@Majdaqel93that’s an interesting debate and am sure more learned people will weigh in with opinions. As the owner of a 1990 3.4 I personally prefer the idea of owners taking their own car to amg rather than MB. I’ve heard people say pre 1999 are pre-mergers, based on merger date, pre 1993 and pre 1991 cars as you say. Either way.. this looks like a lovely thing!
@Majdaqel93this looks a lovely car and like you excited to see where it lands but the BAT premerger amg was very different. A 3.4 rather than 3.2, European market/affalerbach build and this a Japanese market/japanese amg build. it was a manual and this an auto. Still a lovely looking thing with great paperwork and hope it does well
@theegor Same here.. i thought you were going to give up $500 ago! enjoy the literature and the cars. I have a few interesting ones myself and they are great!
and to participate in! :)
well done! nice bidding. i hope that you enjoy them and share any knowledge learned!
Thank you
Hi. Where in the UK are you located? Thanks
Yes they will.. it does look like a really lovely one! Good luck with the sale!!
These are great looking and driving cars. So understated and underrated. This one looks really really special! I have a genuine w202 c55 and they are hoots to drive. Great chassis Good luck with the auction.
Lovely car.. congrats!
I’m out .. congrats to jwct!
@Stuttgart_Steel not arguing at all but interested in knowledge share. where are you getting the 40 units number? amgmiester suggests 130ish 6.0’s and my sources say 300 sl60s and 6.0’s combined which makes sense. Good luck with the sale. It might be getting too high for me, given where some low mileage ones have sold off market in uk.
@Stuttgart_Steelthanks. you've been brilliant and it really helps having such as responsive and open seller. the C55 is incredible, brutal and yet so understated.. it's great fun
@mrJagger i know.. i saw it with you on the coast and a lovely thing it was! still regret not going higher on my bids! My understanding was that Brunei cars were built differently and separately at AMG. It would make sense as they were purchase separately (as you say some from UK) and sent privately to AMG. AMG were still doing that after 1991 as well as building the 990 cars sent straight from the MB assembly line. Hence why numbers built are really hard to define. Personally, I value a non 990 more as there is something more ‘tuner’ about MB not being involved at all. That’s why I was asking about the engine stamp as proof (but bore and stroke measurement is just as good (thanks again @Stuttgart_Steel). My1998 W202 C55 AMG still shows as a C43 on the data card and on the V5C but is confirmed by AMG as a real one through VIN etc.. And totally agree about the drive of a 6.0.. they are very different from the stock cars!
@Stuttgart_Steel thank you so much for doing that. That’s greatly appreciated. As you know these early cars are difficult to verify (especially remotely) and this does that. Thanks
@stuttgart_steel one other question if that's ok. will the owner commit to having the seatbelt repaired as part of the sale as I believe these can be a simple fix all the way up to a full seat replacement?
@LincolnAMG @zein to add to this between 1991 and 1993 MB and AMG entered into an agreement of sorts and MB started stamping their cars on the production line with the 990 code, meaning it was allocated and designated to go the AMG to be converted. Before that an owner had to buy a MB and take it themselves, independently, to AMG for conversion, with no involvement of MB. Hence the lack of any code. I am sure others, more knowledgeable on this forum, can add to this (or correct me if i'm wrong)
@Stuttgart_Steel sorry for slow response for thanking you for doing that. it's appreciated.
thank you, that's great. One other thing and sorry for niggly questions. The listing mentions that the stroke has been measured at 94.8mm. is there a headed letter or document confirming this from the garage who measured it? appreciate the photo of the ruler with the tape but do you have something a buyer can 'lean' on more than that? thank you and thanks for the open and quick responses!
Sorry.. also, do you have a picture of the engine stamp with the 6.0 designation please? I may have missed this in the gallery. thank you!
Hi, assuming this is the car sold on this platform mid last year would you mind sharing why the car is being sold so quickly? Also, would you be willing to assist on having the car shipped to the UK? many thanks
I have a manual German market one of these so will not be bidding but have to say that a better, more helpful seller, I have not seen. Wish all sellers we so transparent. Good luck with the sale and bidding. great looking car
Thank you!! Not a problem. And appreciate the feedback
Thank you for the response. Was looking to see if the w202 c55 (from the c43), rather than w203 (round lights) was in it. Thank you
Hi. Does it cover the w202 c55 and the w124 e300 3.4 amg? Thanks
Hi Peter. Sorry for the delay. Unfortunately I am committed Sunday afternoon but thanks for looking at your availability.
Hi, would it be possible to see the car this coming weekend? Can you email [email protected] if ok. Thx
I believe that MB allocated a small number of E’s, TE’s and CE’s from their production line in 1991 to be taken to AMG under the 990 code. One could argue these 990 code cars were the first formal collaboration between the two, rather than in 1993. Cars before this were customer cars taken to AMG for conversion. One could argue that these earlier cars are pre-merger, this being one, but obviously I am redefining the common consensus. I obviously welcome other, more learned, thoughts.
I saw the car on Sunday and whoever wins it are very lucky… it’s a lovely thing
Thanks, that’s great.
Hi, is it possible to view the car this Sunday/next weekend? Thanks
Hi, Can you list the service history please as i can't seem to find it. thanks
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1989 Mercedes-Benz 300E 3.2 AMG
ubergruber said:
Anyway..back to the lovely car here! Surely time for the questions about the cost of shipping to the USA?!1989 Mercedes-Benz 300E 3.2 AMG
ubergruber said:
This is why I love this site. Loads of respectful knowledge sharing. @Niklas32 I understand (but would welcome someone who knows correcting this) that 990 cars had the code stamped on the chassis designating the standard car on production line to be shipped by MB to amg for conversion. Later (around 1993) 957 cars were specced/ordered completely through MB dealerships so MB had greater control. The exception of this was the w202 C55amg from 1998 I think. @gsxr the baby hammer debate is fascinating. My personal take is that the term ‘Hammer’ is a magazine (not amg) term adopted by enthusiasts to refer to an upgraded gen1 bodykitted w124 E class with a m117 DOHC engine shoved in to. As with the term Hammer it seems that a lot of the media and enthusiasts are using baby hammer to means an upgraded gen1 bodykitted w124 e class with a tuned 3.4/3..2 engine. Certainly not a hammer (and without the super special engine) but looks a lot like one… much like a Ferrari 348 is often called a baby testarossa.. because they look similar. I’m comfortable with this as they are both made up terms but all please be gentle with me and leave my family my remains! :)1989 Mercedes-Benz 300E 3.2 AMG
ubergruber said:
@Niklas32 I think 1993-ish onwards (with the exception of a few remaining 990s and privately built or non affalterbach cars) the amg offerings were stamped 957 like e36, sl60 and e60. Only exception to that I’ve found was the w202 c55 which was still separately made by amg only. The cooperation agreement was signed in October 1990 with 990 being stamped on chassis after that. For my learning, why would 1989 and before be considered pre-merger and not pre October 1990? (I know there are way smarter people in the background reading this and hope they weigh in to correct my mistakes!) Either way, your car, to me, is a lovely thing. GLWTA!1989 Mercedes-Benz 300E 3.2 AMG
ubergruber said:
@Niklas32it’s the romance or a tuner, tuning your car! I thought the 990 code came in in 1991 but happy to learn otherwise from smarter people!1989 Mercedes-Benz 300E 3.2 AMG
ubergruber said:
@Majdaqel93that’s an interesting debate and am sure more learned people will weigh in with opinions. As the owner of a 1990 3.4 I personally prefer the idea of owners taking their own car to amg rather than MB. I’ve heard people say pre 1999 are pre-mergers, based on merger date, pre 1993 and pre 1991 cars as you say. Either way.. this looks like a lovely thing!1989 Mercedes-Benz 300E 3.2 AMG
ubergruber said:
@Majdaqel93this looks a lovely car and like you excited to see where it lands but the BAT premerger amg was very different. A 3.4 rather than 3.2, European market/affalerbach build and this a Japanese market/japanese amg build. it was a manual and this an auto. Still a lovely looking thing with great paperwork and hope it does wellVarious Pre-Merger AMG Sales Brochures
ubergruber said:
@theegor Same here.. i thought you were going to give up $500 ago! enjoy the literature and the cars. I have a few interesting ones myself and they are great!Various Pre-Merger AMG Sales Brochures
ubergruber said:
and to participate in! :)Various Pre-Merger AMG Sales Brochures
ubergruber said:
well done! nice bidding. i hope that you enjoy them and share any knowledge learned!Various Pre-Merger AMG Sales Brochures
ubergruber said:
Thank youVarious Pre-Merger AMG Sales Brochures
ubergruber said:
Hi. Where in the UK are you located? Thanks2000 Mercedes-Benz C43 AMG
ubergruber said:
Yes they will.. it does look like a really lovely one! Good luck with the sale!!2000 Mercedes-Benz C43 AMG
ubergruber said:
These are great looking and driving cars. So understated and underrated. This one looks really really special! I have a genuine w202 c55 and they are hoots to drive. Great chassis Good luck with the auction.1990 Mercedes-Benz 500SL 6.0 AMG
ubergruber said:
Lovely car.. congrats!1990 Mercedes-Benz 500SL 6.0 AMG
ubergruber said:
I’m out .. congrats to jwct!1990 Mercedes-Benz 500SL 6.0 AMG
ubergruber said:
@Stuttgart_Steel not arguing at all but interested in knowledge share. where are you getting the 40 units number? amgmiester suggests 130ish 6.0’s and my sources say 300 sl60s and 6.0’s combined which makes sense. Good luck with the sale. It might be getting too high for me, given where some low mileage ones have sold off market in uk.1990 Mercedes-Benz 500SL 6.0 AMG
ubergruber said:
@Stuttgart_Steelthanks. you've been brilliant and it really helps having such as responsive and open seller. the C55 is incredible, brutal and yet so understated.. it's great fun1990 Mercedes-Benz 500SL 6.0 AMG
ubergruber said:
@mrJagger i know.. i saw it with you on the coast and a lovely thing it was! still regret not going higher on my bids! My understanding was that Brunei cars were built differently and separately at AMG. It would make sense as they were purchase separately (as you say some from UK) and sent privately to AMG. AMG were still doing that after 1991 as well as building the 990 cars sent straight from the MB assembly line. Hence why numbers built are really hard to define. Personally, I value a non 990 more as there is something more ‘tuner’ about MB not being involved at all. That’s why I was asking about the engine stamp as proof (but bore and stroke measurement is just as good (thanks again @Stuttgart_Steel). My1998 W202 C55 AMG still shows as a C43 on the data card and on the V5C but is confirmed by AMG as a real one through VIN etc.. And totally agree about the drive of a 6.0.. they are very different from the stock cars!1990 Mercedes-Benz 500SL 6.0 AMG
ubergruber said:
@Stuttgart_Steel thank you so much for doing that. That’s greatly appreciated. As you know these early cars are difficult to verify (especially remotely) and this does that. Thanks1990 Mercedes-Benz 500SL 6.0 AMG
ubergruber said:
@stuttgart_steel one other question if that's ok. will the owner commit to having the seatbelt repaired as part of the sale as I believe these can be a simple fix all the way up to a full seat replacement?1990 Mercedes-Benz 500SL 6.0 AMG
ubergruber said:
@LincolnAMG @zein to add to this between 1991 and 1993 MB and AMG entered into an agreement of sorts and MB started stamping their cars on the production line with the 990 code, meaning it was allocated and designated to go the AMG to be converted. Before that an owner had to buy a MB and take it themselves, independently, to AMG for conversion, with no involvement of MB. Hence the lack of any code. I am sure others, more knowledgeable on this forum, can add to this (or correct me if i'm wrong)1990 Mercedes-Benz 500SL 6.0 AMG
ubergruber said:
@Stuttgart_Steel sorry for slow response for thanking you for doing that. it's appreciated.1990 Mercedes-Benz 500SL 6.0 AMG
ubergruber said:
thank you, that's great. One other thing and sorry for niggly questions. The listing mentions that the stroke has been measured at 94.8mm. is there a headed letter or document confirming this from the garage who measured it? appreciate the photo of the ruler with the tape but do you have something a buyer can 'lean' on more than that? thank you and thanks for the open and quick responses!1990 Mercedes-Benz 500SL 6.0 AMG
ubergruber said:
Sorry.. also, do you have a picture of the engine stamp with the 6.0 designation please? I may have missed this in the gallery. thank you!1990 Mercedes-Benz 500SL 6.0 AMG
ubergruber said:
Hi, assuming this is the car sold on this platform mid last year would you mind sharing why the car is being sold so quickly? Also, would you be willing to assist on having the car shipped to the UK? many thanks1990 Mercedes-Benz 300E 3.4 AMG
ubergruber said:
I have a manual German market one of these so will not be bidding but have to say that a better, more helpful seller, I have not seen. Wish all sellers we so transparent. Good luck with the sale and bidding. great looking carAMG 45: The Story, The Cars (Hardcover Book)
ubergruber said:
Thank you!! Not a problem. And appreciate the feedbackAMG 45: The Story, The Cars (Hardcover Book)
ubergruber said:
Thank you for the response. Was looking to see if the w202 c55 (from the c43), rather than w203 (round lights) was in it. Thank youAMG 45: The Story, The Cars (Hardcover Book)
ubergruber said:
Hi. Does it cover the w202 c55 and the w124 e300 3.4 amg? ThanksPre-Merger AMG: 1994 Mercedes-Benz S500 6.0 AMG
ubergruber said:
Hi Peter. Sorry for the delay. Unfortunately I am committed Sunday afternoon but thanks for looking at your availability.Pre-Merger AMG: 1994 Mercedes-Benz S500 6.0 AMG
ubergruber said:
Hi, would it be possible to see the car this coming weekend? Can you email [email protected] if ok. Thx1990 Mercedes-Benz 300E 3.4 AMG 5-Speed
ubergruber said:
I believe that MB allocated a small number of E’s, TE’s and CE’s from their production line in 1991 to be taken to AMG under the 990 code. One could argue these 990 code cars were the first formal collaboration between the two, rather than in 1993. Cars before this were customer cars taken to AMG for conversion. One could argue that these earlier cars are pre-merger, this being one, but obviously I am redefining the common consensus. I obviously welcome other, more learned, thoughts.1992 Mercedes-Benz 500SL 6.0 AMG
ubergruber said:
I saw the car on Sunday and whoever wins it are very lucky… it’s a lovely thing1992 Mercedes-Benz 500SL 6.0 AMG
ubergruber said:
Thanks, that’s great.1992 Mercedes-Benz 500SL 6.0 AMG
ubergruber said:
Hi, is it possible to view the car this Sunday/next weekend? Thanks1991 Mercedes-Benz 300TE-24 3.4 AMG
ubergruber said:
Hi, Can you list the service history please as i can't seem to find it. thanks