Someone is going to get a great deal here!
Just curious... why were single-piece front rotors installed, instead of the original 2-piece floating rotors?
@charltons, the R129 and W124 are stable up to the 155mph / 250kph speed limiter present on most models capable of exceeding those speeds (500SL with LH-SFI, all 500E/E500). Ditto for the 140 S-class. Nothing terrifying about it. I've not been in an F40 for comparison though. :)
Gorgeous color combo. Has the engine wiring harness been replaced?
This diesel engine has mechanical injection. The wiring harness doesn't affect engine operation.
Lots of optional equipment on this one! ASD locking diff (pretty rare), heated seats, leather, driver memory seat & telescopic wheel, headlight washers. Very nice total package here. Datacard at link below.
Note that ASD is *not* traction control. It does lock the differential when wheelspin is detected (up to 19mph), but it will let you apply power and spin out if you don't lift your right foot off the go pedal. Traction control (ETS, ASR, ESP) will cut power, ASD does not. This is will very helpful on slippery surfaces, as the warning light in the speedo will flash when wheelspin is detected, even if the driver doesn't notice it. I had a similar diesel with ASD and loved it. Details in the factory literature here:
@SLAMMER500, can you please post a photo of the engine serial number? It's located at the top / front of the block, below the area on the intake with the 3 coolant temp sensors. Here's a photo of what the serial will look like:
@ccutler05, yes, the 6.0 has a stroke about 10mm longer. This can be measured by removing a spark plug, removing the fan clutch, and rotating the engine by hand with a long 3/8" extension bar in the hole. Measure top vs bottom of stroke, compare to factory specs. I did this when I bought a 6.0L years ago that was not making full power, it felt like a 5.0L. In my case it was a real 6.0L but with plugged catalysts. Replaced the cats and it was back to full power.
A dyno graph or dragstrip timeslip can also prove 6.0L... but *only* if it's making full power... in the scenario I described above, this would not have been sufficient. As @WDB748372 mentioned, there is a BIG difference behind the wheel for 5.0 vs 6.0 power levels.
AFAIK, all AMG 6.0L M119's will have an AMG stamping & serial somewhere on the block. @jhodg5ck?
I really like the new wheels, better than the previous chromies. GLWS!
For the harnesses, we are specifically discussing the upper engine harness (to injectors and sensors), and lower engine harness (to starter/alternator), not the body harnesses (blower motor, etc). I have never seen evidence of either of the engine harnesses failing, after the original soy-based was replaced with the improved insulation. Note this ONLY applies to models through 1995 USA model year, with LH-SFI or HFM injection systems. NOT the later models with ME 1.0 fuel injection. 1996-up will be ME 1.0 injection and those are a completely different discussion. The ME harnesses should not fail unless subjected to excessive heat loads, which is possible, but not common. The LH+HFM harnesses fail rapidly with normal heat loads and most have already been replaced except perhaps on very low-mile cars.
But anyway - it was implied earlier that these harnesses are still available new from the dealer, and that is largely incorrect. Most of the harnesses are NLA and if replacement is needed, the old/failing harness will have to be sent to a shop like BlueRidgeMB for repair/rebuilding.
Wiring harness availability depends on the specific year, chassis, and engine combination. The engine wiring harness for this specific VIN is Mercedes part number 140-540-47-05 and it is formally NLA / Discontinued, per MB Classic link below.
The lower harness (to starter / alternator / sensors) is also NLA:
If the harnesses have already been replaced in the past, this is a non-issue, as the replacements have improved insulation that does not degrade.
@Heshe, I see the hyperlink now... but I'd swear it wasn't there when I posted the comment. I had to Google the VIN to find the previous listing. I could have overlooked it though! 0_o
Link to previous result / discussion:
Owned 23 years or 13 years...?
Car looks super clean inside, outside, and underneath. Wow!
@ariotofmyown - thank you! I missed that photo in the gallery. *doh*
Just to clarify... this car has AMG accessories installed, but they were not installed by AMG, with no AMG documentation - correct? [EDIT - see reply above, I missed the photo.]
Would help to have some photos in sunlight to show off the Midnight Blue hue. The indoor photos make it look like Black paint. This is a great color but it's hard to tell in the pictures!
Not a single reply from the seller to any comments? 0_o
@irastock, the wiring harness issues only affected gasoline engines with HFM or LH-SFI fuel injection. This OM602 diesel has mechanical injection. The tach could either be the gauge itself, or possibly the speed sensor at the flywheel, assuming all wires are connected on the back of the cluster.
Thank you! The electrical connector at the differential is a speed sensor for the antilock brake (ABS) system.
@MBM, this car does not have "an electronically-controlled limited-slip differential", or any limited-slip. It does not have ASD or ASR either.
@KingKitty, don't forget to bid! 30 mins left! ;-)
Also - can you post a photo of the dyno graph? Thanks!
I see the air conditioning was deleted, this wasn't mentioned in the ad copy. Am I understanding this correctly - the twin-charge upgrade was done 250 miles ago, after purchasing the car 6 months ago? Why the quick turnaround on such a cool build?
Can you please post a photo of the original window sticker, showing the optional equipment & pricing, and total MSRP? Thanks!
@Smyth, the first 4MATIC models were known for issues with the transfer case. I don't know details, never owned one, and forget what I've read about them in the past. From memory, once repaired they can be pretty reliable. Google for details.
This particular low-mile car sold for below market value IMO - congrats, @Ref4Lyfe! All I can guess is the bumper/cladding color mismatch didn't help, and it has no options (i.e., no heated seats, etc). This is a lot of (AWD!) car for $4500. If it were local to me, I'd have been awfully tempted...
If there are unique parts on the graymarket car, USA dealers won't sell them without proof of ownership. While registration is the typical proof needed, any other proof of ownership will also suffice. Alternately, buy the verboten parts from Europe. In years past this would typically cause problems when trying to obtain Euro-spec headlights/lenses, or emissions-related items.
Obtaining repair parts is very different than importing to USA and getting the car road legal in USA, when less than 25 years old.
@Eyedoc1985, with a European VIN, any Mercedes dealer in the USA can and will sell you parts for the "imported" car. But you need to provide proof of ownership (registration should be sufficient). If you were told otherwise, your source was wrong.
Picture 245 shows the upper control arms with integrated upper ball joint.
Picture 354 shows an invoice for Dorman upper control arms p/n 520-751 and 520-752.
Dorman website with poor photos:
Lower control arms are completely different. Photos 256 and 259 (plus others) show original lower control arms with new bushings. Did you pay a shop to install these parts? They may have gotten some wires crossed.
@seller - the July 2022 receipt for Dorman front upper control arms doesn't match the photos. The control arms on the car (see pic #245) show original upper control arms. Were the Dorman arms purchased but not installed?
@pummer, as an owner of a similar 1997 E420 Sport with factory HID Xenon headlights, I can tell you the HID's put out an incredible amount of light. They are worth the effort to locate and install. Yes, you need to find used ones with good wiring (takes effort) and then you need to install new Hella lenses (available from Europe) because polishing old ones is a waste of time - they don't stay clear. I installed new lenses on on my factory HID lights and it was worth the effort, the improvement over the old polished lenses was amazing. Lamin-X protective film will make the new lenses last longer. I ended up with an extra pair of factory HID lights with good wiring that I eventually sold for $400 delivered a couple years ago. Had them listed on forums and eBay for many months, nobody wanted them.
Tip for buyers: Having the factory HID setup means the car is wired and ready for the factory HID lights, including the control module and front/rear level sensors. The lights have automatic level adjustment based on load. Retrofitting HID lights into a car without the factory wiring/sensors/modules is sub-optimal. If you get a set of the correct lights, they are plug & play into this silver beauty.
Not sure if this can be titled in USA until it's 25 years old, without paying a small fortune in import fees...? Great car for Canadian buyers though!
@Alexdd122, you are correct, the cold start is not normal. Sounds like one or more glow plugs are dead, but the listing claims new glow plugs were installed - first need to confirm 6 were installed. If so, next need to check the connections at each plug, and then verify the glow relay is working properly. It should run smoothly since this model has a 3-minute-long afterglow period where the plugs are energized with engine running after a cold start.
Adding data to quantify "slow as molasses"... factory spec for this 1995 E300 was 12.6 seconds 0-60mph. The 240D is around 23 seconds with auto transmission, and 21 seconds with a manual. This E300 is a rocketship by comparison, vs a 240D. The fastest W123 turbodiesels were nearly 14 seconds, still slower than the E300. Yes, 12 seconds is slow by modern CDI standards, but not quite molasses-slow. ;)
Purchased 1 year ago on BaT... driven less than 500 miles!
Any photos available of the KW coilovers currently on the car? Are the coilovers on all four corners?
@MBTech96, early-build 1992 500E's do not have the CEL in the cluster. Cars without the CEL also have a black emissions decal over the passenger headlight. Models with the CEL have a yellow decal. That decal is missing on this car (actually, all decals are missing on the upper radiator support) so it's difficult to say if this car should have the CEL or not. The speedometer faceplate is incorrect for the 500E, it has the wrong shift points, as mentioned in the first comment below.
Detailed discussion on the missing CEL's for early 500E are in this forum thread:
@dpblues2000 , @944turbeaux - this car is now listed on BaT with no reserve:
Any details as to why the speedometer faceplate is not original / correct for a 500E?
Also, can you post a driving video? Thanks!
@Potomac_Pat , that appears to be 208hp at the wheels. Guessing 15% drivetrain loss with the manual would translate into around 245hp at the crank, well above stock rated power. Assuming it weighs under 2500 lbs, that's near 10 lbs per hp, which should make the car scoot nicely.
I love it! @Racerrick, have you ever had the car on scales? If so, what is the weight (dry or wet)? GLWS!
Are undercarriage photos coming soon? Videos too?
Neither Carfax nor AutoCheck report an accident, but the upper radiator support and passenger fender have both been replaced, which is odd. Interior looks brand new - what a time capsule. GLWS!
Interesting that the passenger side headlight lens is correct (RHT, photo 47) but the driver side lens in photo 50 is for LHT (UK/Japan). Easy to fix though. Love the Sport seats (super rare on a wagon), a previous owner must have upgraded them, as they aren't on the datacard.
Really neat car - GLWS!
@JAB12, the kit will fit any W124 sedan without modifications, *except* for the E500E. Due to the wider fenders, all the pieces will require modification to stretch to fit the fenders. This means possibly cutting the AMG unobtanium bits. This may be why you see very few AMG body kits on the 036. Also, for use on the 036, the bumper lights would need to change to the fog-style (not included in this kit). Unfortunately, the left fog is NLA.
Nice collection of unobtanium! Note the front bumper lights are not "fog lights". They are auxiliary high-beam lights meant to turn on with the main headlamp high beams. By definition these are the opposite of "fog lights".
There are fog lights available with a different HWA- part number if someone needed bumper fogs to complement E500E headlights. The lenses, reflectors, and light pattern is completely different between the two types of lights. Pics & details are on W124performance.com.
There was a reserve, but reserve was met. Sold for $9500 + fees + shipping. Helluva deal IMO... wish I could have picked it up myself!
uh, what might happen again?
The correct E500 headlights will be difficult to source, as they have been NLA for years (both headlamps & lenses). As it sits this car has 4 fog lights and 2 high beams; instead of 4 high beams and 2 fog lights. Not a big deal if you don't drive at night much and don't mind the different appearance.
Odd the seller has not commented once in 10 days. 0_o
Edit: No undercarriage photos?
@Don_Draper, I owned one that was registered in CA prior to my ownership. They will pass the emissions tailpipe test without problems if the engine is running properly. However, CA typically requires the catalysts to have CARB approval (EO), and if the existing cats do not have this, you might have to replace them with CARB-approved units.
That rear sway bar looks beefy in the photos. Is it stock, or a 500E rear bar? Car is beautiful, GLWS!
Wow, that was a lot of car for the money. Congrats, @CICBarkeep!!
@8899, you going to get another 036 and come back to the 'Board? ;-)
I see the driving video now, I'd swear it wasn't there when the auction went live. Thanks for posting! (Edit: I just figured out the video was posted a day AFTER the auction went live.)
@petevw, thanks for the info. Those 2 parts are at the bottom of the list of included part numbers, can you have MBM update the list?
Nice collection! I don't see (1) 124-885-11-21 front bumper impact strip or (1) 124-885-20-23 front license plate delete insert in the photos. Will pictures of these be added? Thanks!
@JaRS... and a driving video too.
@WANNAALLCARS, RENNtech will still do builds like this today, but you need to hand them a blank cheque and not fuss about the cost. For example, they just did a bonkers 7.6L V12 upgrade in a 1992 600SEL, see link below:
@MBMarket, the listing states this car has headers, but the factory cast-iron exhaust manifolds are visible in photo #167. Tubular headers were a rare option on the RENNtech E60 builds. There was not a substantial power gain with the headers, which might be why RENNtech didn't make them standard equipment.
Yes it is a USA market car, but registering in CA depends how thorough the emissions inspection is when importing. The catalysts are performance aftermarket units, not Mercedes factory cats. Not sure if that matters, but it's worth investigating.
Awww, c'mon, JAB... you know you want one of each color! LOL! :D
Beautiful car! Looks like it had almost every RENNtech option except tubular headers. Nice factory options too, with HID's, and heated orthopedic seats. Will there be driving videos posted?
Link to datacard: https://www.lastvin.com/vin/5ognYdmlaNDJAOzr3
JAB, I think you did better than the other AMG which sold minutes ago with a lot fewer ponies under the hood:
And... no code 957 on that one. :)
EDIT - that auction is still going, ooops! I thought it ended....
Congrats @JAB12! Fantastic stablemate next to the E60. :-)
BTW, in the spare tire well, that's the LPG tank - correct? Just noticed the round thing wasn't a tyre, lol...
Link to datacard below. Odd set of options on this car, it has the Sport steering wheel and Sport front seats only, but no Sports undercarriage (and no complete Sportline package). No memory seats or headlight washers, but it has heated seats!
Looks fantastic with the AMG body kit. And the 3.06 gearing on the Japan version will make it more lively around town than the taller 2.65 gears used on the USA-spec 124.028 chassis.
for a sec there I thought the Beryl Bid (all 8's) was going to get it! LOL!
Thanks! I am not seeing the video, am I missing it somewhere in the listing?
More pics of the LPG system? Undercarriage photos? Love the color combo!
You don't know when reserve was met unless the seller discloses this, which isn't common. Same as BaT, C&B, etc.
@Pizdets4u, congrats on the win! If reserve was not met it would say "Bid To $xxx".
@araikoh, how long have you owned the car (years/miles)?
Just curious, why selling so soon after purchase? Looks amazing...
Just FYI, although the correct E500 Euro lights are NLA worldwide, there are a pair of correct NOS / NIB headlights for sale on eBay right now. No affiliation, the seller is located in GA:
Are the original E500 headlights available? Any undercarriage photos?
Congrats @Mpysh! Rare color combo here, very few Smoke Silver cars have black interior. Interesting that the seats were replaced at some point, originally leather, now MB-Tex. Great deal too!
Got it - thanks for the background info. Any chance of a driving video, btw? :)
I'm confused. @Billdovell bought the car 5 months ago, and now pzoot is selling it 500 miles later...?
Congrats @2thdr! There's a 400E section on the 500Eboard forum with everything you need to know about the care & feeding of your new family member... :)
@TheAMGKit, the 400E received the same modifications to fit the V8 engine into the chassis. The front seats were not separated, the seat mounting rails were narrower to allow more space for the wider tunnel required for the larger twin catalysts. The firewall is also the same on all V8 models, ditto the reinforced rear subframe. As the seller mentioned, the 500E had a wider track, wider fenders, plus larger brakes and other subtle differences.
Any chance the original exhaust system is included? Beautiful car... GLWS!
Late to the party here, but I see that Fossilmann bid in Nov-2021 on a... 560 SEC, C126 chassis? And is calling the W124 E500 a fossil? Whooo! Pot/kettle there. Must be something I'm missing about the 32-year old fossil coupé. 0_o
M119 + 722.6 + factory AMG = awesomesauce. :)
Wow this is going cheap so far. Maybe people don't understand the rarity? This was the last DOHC V8 until the M156 appeared around 2007. AMG camshafts and other unique bits on this unicorn.
To answer the previous question, yes, the W210 E50 (and even rarer E60) are both based on the 210.072 E420 chassis. They had option code 957 indicating an AMG engine along with other upgrades (brakes, suspension, etc). Link below to datacard showing code 957:
Several articles about the E50 are at the link below, scroll down to AMG_E50:
Got it - thanks for clarifying! :) I have the Quaife LSD in a couple of my cars. Really nice ATB unit.
Just confirming, ASR has been disabled, correct? Has ABS functionality been verified after the conversion?
W123's are like cockroaches... unkillable. But the W124 is better in nearly every conceivable way, unless you prefer the more "vintage" appearance of the W123. Disclaimer - I'm a big fan of the W124 and have owned over a dozen since 1996. I've owned several W123's and wouldn't want another even if it were free. YMMV.
That's a lot of car for $7k... congrats, @Marsby!
Sold on June 26 on eBay: https://www.ebay.com/itm/402945435748
@pochocho, no, the reserve was not met... shows "Bid To $8,000".
if reserve was met, it would show "Sold $xxxx".
@selski bought a set of Monoblocks that came with a free car! Sweet!
The economy (vacuum) gauge at the bottom of the fuel/oil/temp gauge pod ended with 1991 USA model year, IIRC. This car does not have one, and should not, so all is well. :)
I owned two 1997 E60 RENNtechs. One was built with KONI shocks and 6-cyl H&R springs, the other had AMG E55 springs and AMG shocks (which are made by Bilstein). I much preferred the ride & handling of the AMG setup, removed the KONI/H&R from the second car, and installed the AMG suspension instead. YMMV, etc.
IMO, some of what RENNtech installed in the late 1990's wasn't necessarily ideal and may have been limited by what parts were available at the time. Because of this, I personally don't think it's worth keeping every single item original as it left RENNtech back in the day. Stiff dampers sitting on the suspension stops may work well on a smooth racetrack, but it's not necessarily the best setup for a street car.
Along those lines, RENNtech installed their Heim-joint solid rear subframe links on most of these builds. I also didn't like those for street use and replaced them with stock links, with a different camber correction solution. I see the same was done on this particular car as well. BTW, the top powerplant available was rated 434hp/465tq per RENNtech's catalog, there was no M119 engine offered with 525 lb-ft. Every build was unique, it's impossible to tell the original spec without seeing the build sheet / receipt for the specific VIN in question. The widebody RS version is still the most rare of the small number produced.
Photos of the undercarriage, and some pics of the tubular headers would be helpful!
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